30 January 2008 @ 02:38 pm
Because I've never really forgiven the author of Old Yeller  
For airline reading, I had a book picked up at Kindling Words that turned out to be one of those books where the beloved pet dies, causing growth and change in the protagonist along the way.

I think I see why the author did it, though I'm torn about whether I agree with the decision--and about how I feel about the book--which was all about coming to terms with sadness--overall.

But it got me to thinking again about the whole business of killing Beloved Pets off in children's literature. This has always bothered me, and yet there's a project I'm working on where I've come to the conclusion that the pet has to die. And this really, really bugs me.

But the story wants it. I wrote the scene in question both ways--wrote it with the pet living first, in fact--because I don't do stories where pets die, and I had no desire to start. I'm still sort of hoping I'll find a way around it, even though I know better.

But thinking about that, and then thinking about my airplane book, I think I'm finally beginning to understand why so many pets die in children's books. It's because as in any story, sometimes there needs to be loss--and sometimes letting the pet die seems a more bearable loss than any of the many other sorts of losses the story can contain.

But thinking like that is thinking like an adult. Any child will tell you that losing a pet is not a bearable loss, that indeed it's a harder loss than losing many people would be. Pets are on equal footing with any other friend or relative in a child's life. (And in many adult ones, too, judging by the reactions that adult writers get when pets are harmed in their books--to the point that I've seen adult writers advise against doing it entirely, as something that will hurt sales. Which makes one wonder why books that kill pets would be seen as more taboo for adults than for children--but that's a whole other topic.)

Anyway, thinking about it some more: characters do die in fiction, so I don't think it's problematic to include animals among the many characters who may or may not survive until the story's end. But an animal character has to die as a character, not as a plot device or a convenient way of making the protagonist grow and change without killing the folks the adult reader thinks it would be more unbearable to lose.

When any character death is a plot device or insta-growth-and-change tool, and when it's an inevitable consequence of the story being told is a tricky line, though--and possibly none of us would even agree as to when that line has been crossed, and when it hasn't.

What do you all think, about this whole business of when it is and isn't acceptable--or even when it does and doesn't make good plot sense--for animals to die in fiction? (And are the answers any different for children's and adult books, and why or why not?)
 
 
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Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on January 30th, 2008 09:46 pm (UTC)
I think pet deaths in fiction are usually right there with unnamed minion deaths. They're usually used to show the stakes, just how serious things COULD be, without actually offing someone Truly Important. I gave into this trend and offed a grandparent in my first one. But I dunno - as a dog and horse lover all my life, it's hard for me to read fiction where they kill off the animals. And it seems like they always do. Did anyone ever think things would turn out well for Old Yeller, Flicka, White Fang? ;)
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easier with elephants[info]cofax7 on January 30th, 2008 11:25 pm (UTC)
IIRC, things actually did turn out all right for Flicka and White Fang... Not so much for Old Yaller, though, true.
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Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on January 31st, 2008 01:41 am (UTC)
*grin*
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Snuffy LaRue: what?[info]jess_ka on January 30th, 2008 10:02 pm (UTC)
For me, in a story, loss of a human is far easier to bear than loss of an animal. I hate it when the pet dies. I totally agree that sometimes it's what the story calls for, but I hate hate hate it.

However, I'm the kid who was so upset I couldn't eat for the rest of the day when my dad accidentally hit and killed a chipmunk with the car.
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Sherwood Smith[info]sartorias on January 30th, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
Part of my childhood rage against pets being killed off (and "learning the lesson"--note there is always a lesson to be learned, just in case you think you've escaped it) is that this was yet another way of forcing me back into the world-as-it-is instead of leaving me in the world-as-it-should be, which was what I was reading for. That that of course presupposes a kid who is reading to escape various trauma, who is NOT curious about it, or practicing adult emotions, or whatever. And there are kids who like that. I remember being quietly appalled when my niece told me when she was ten or eleven she just loved stories about girls with terminal sicknesses.

my adult reaction is that far too often the pet is a cheap shot, I see the target on its back, and expect it to be an easy ticket to shocking emotion, and when that pays out as expected, I lose interest in the book, because it's become predictable, right down to the expected lesson.
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Julia[info]viabloomington on January 30th, 2008 10:21 pm (UTC)
"No More Dead Dogs" by Gordon Korman is a fabulous YA book where this is the catalyst. The MC refuses to write a book report on a book where one more dog dies. He sites Old Yeller, Where the Red Fern Grows, etc.

Personally, I have a really hard time with a book or a movie where a pet is killed. When JKR killed off Hedwig in HP7 - well, for me that hurt worse than several other characters' demises.

Yes - losing a pet is something that happens in real life - but, I don't like it to happen in books I'm reading. I have not (so far) had to write than into any of my books. I probably won't - ever. I have killed off people, and cried buckets when I did. But, I don't think I could even fictitiously kill a pet.
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jeannineatkins[info]jeannineatkins on January 30th, 2008 10:23 pm (UTC)
My dog-loving girl, now in college, would have said (would still say I think) no way, nuh huh, no no no never. She would not even read, can't think of exact title? Hikoko Waits by Leslea Newman about the Japanese dog whose owner died and then spent some ten or twelve years at the subway station waiting for his return. "Mom, that is the most depressing idea ever." And that's supposed to be about a dog hero, but I kinda see her point.

But sometimes -- dogs do die. And sometimes they further the plot. We do what we must do (sooo helpful; but my current wip has a vanished dog -- how's that for hedging? dog runs off into wilderness...
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incandragon[info]incandragon on January 30th, 2008 10:59 pm (UTC)
Where you say "as a character or as a plot device," I say "as Something Huge, or as a plot device." I don't know if we're agreeing, or talking about something different.

Pet death can either be a simplistic device, a "insert card A into slot B" situation. Pet death can also be Something Huge. I loathe the simplistic device, because I take always take the whole gut-punch for it, either way. If the writer just pulled it out for the "now you know the situation is serious" or "and then the hero had to grow up, and so he did" or "see? the villain was a bad person" ... then suddenly the bones of a very mechanical book are revealed.

When my pet dies, it's a total upheaval in my life. It brings everything into sharp perspective -- my responsibilities to my dependents, my overall priorities, my relationships with everyone my life -- including those who have passed on. Including myself. I get whacked out on death for weeks.

Old Yeller kinda got it right. You knew what that boy was going to suffer, because he shot his best friend. HE knew. He decided Old Yeller was worth it. The value of the friendship was worth the upheaval at the end ... and a real man could be a real friend all the way through to the end -- and he was determined to be a real man, even if he was twelve. That was the point (as I saw it).

When a pet dies in a book, and the character just gets angry, or "just" grows up, I think: well, that's crap.

I'm trying to think examples of books with "acceptible" pet death. Most of my examples (pro and con) are from outside sci-fi/fantasy, I'm afraid.
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madrobins[info]madrobins on January 31st, 2008 12:36 am (UTC)
I love my (very dirty) dog and wish her a long, goofy life. So I don't want to sound anti-animal when I say that the death of any being in a book has the potential to become loaded. (When the girl died in BRIDGE TO TERABITHIA I wanted to throw something. Saw no point. Sorry.) And this isn't just a problem with literature for kids. I used to know someone who loved Dick Francis's mysteries--until BANKER, when Francis (for quite reasonable plot reasons) killed off a nice 15-year old girl. After that he refused to read Francis's books at all.

I guess my rule of thumb is that you can't be any nicer to animals or children or women or anyone, than reality would be (sorry, [info]sartorias). The impulse of humankind is to protect children and small animals, but that doesn't always work. But if the death happens just so someone can "grow"--I say that's spinach, and I say to hell with it.
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Loup Noir[info]loupnoir on January 31st, 2008 12:49 am (UTC)
I will be gray here. It depends.

I'm older than most of you, and at forty-seven, I have to say that a big chunk of my childhood reading was Victorian animal stories. They never ended well, but I read them all and came out as scathed or unscathed as one might expect.

"Old Yeller" was one of the few books that I can recall being read aloud to me in school. I believe it was read at least twice, maybe even three times. "Savage Sam," the sequel, was only read once. Why three times? "Old Yeller" taught a lot of lessons to young children, including the very important fact that things you love have to die. We try to ignore that fact in our new, very modern, very Politically Correct society. Not that this helped me ready myself for the first time a beloved pet died. No, I cried myself sick, but "Old Yeller" and its many kin did help sink a point into my young skull that every living thing has feelings and emotions. I knew my dogs felt pain and fear. I knew they lived shorter lives than I probably would. I knew, when I saw a parade with horses with bobbed tails, that those horses had been maimed for the vanity of man.

I don't think these points would have been hammered home the same way had I read them as an adult as when I had read them as a child and young teen. Children, at least I as a child, were not as conditioned to avoid the bad ends. I actively sought out information on horses and dogs and animals in general and discovered, to my deep and abiding horror, how horrid people were to animals. It made me harder and more able to confront people about their fashionable choices to bob a tail or crop a tail. "Beautiful Joe" alone made me quite able to take a stand in front of a man who was too cowardly to deal with his dog. No, it was easier to haul the poor, devoted thing into the animal shelter, surrender it, and say it was too old to bother with.

Children and adults both ought to understand what their choices wreck upon the environment and the animals within it. If animals did not die, if Disney endings were always in vogue, then that's a cheat. Everything dies. It's how it lived that counts.
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lizzybee999[info]lizzybee999 on January 31st, 2008 01:45 pm (UTC)
What a great post...
you leave me wordless. I had to say thank you -- especially since I have never met anyone outside my family who has read 'Beautiful Joe' -- I can cry on cue when I think of the horrible first chapter.

Very well said, loupnoir. Hope you don't mind if I friend you!
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lizzybee999[info]lizzybee999 on January 31st, 2008 02:39 pm (UTC)
Life and Death and the whole D@$# Thing...
that's what books are about to me. Pets die. I've lost: Schultzie, Tippee, Katie, Nicki, Irving, Napoleon, Ringo, Miss Puggy, Cap'n Jimmy, and Merlin. Losing Merlin at age 46 hurt as badly as losing Schultzie at age 4 -- but now I suffer pangs of worry for Baron. And should I lose him, in his honour, I'll take another companion animal into my family. (And in my family, they are not 'pets', but are Canine/Feline/Rodent People -- we ADOPT for life.)

Their lives are shorter than ours -- but not less important. And part of reading (or writing!) for me is learning how to deal with the world. The whole world -- good and bad and in-between. I hate it, but we're all mortal. And so sometimes fiction must reflect that, or it wouldn't be any use to me.

Thanks for a great and thought-provoking post! And I did enjoy Korman's "No More Dead Dogs" immensely, because the protagonist IS right -- but it won't stop me from re-reading Old Yeller.

There's Old Yeller -- but then there's The Incredible Journey, too...
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al_zorra[info]al_zorra on January 31st, 2008 01:24 am (UTC)
I dunno about any of that.

I grew up on a farm. I loved many animals that I knew were destined for death.

Our pets were also working animals and we knew they were also destined for death, one way or another.

This is something that suburban classes don't understand.

Working animals are about death in so many ways.

Love, C.
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al_zorra[info]al_zorra on January 31st, 2008 01:26 am (UTC)
In fact that was what I, as a kid, loved about the old time writers whose principals were animals. They understood it so well. I grieved, to sobbing, over the death of Lad a Dog every time he died, but I understood it.

I understood about a dog going up against a bear. Yup, you're probably gonna die, unless you had big backup of a pack and a person with a gun fast enough.

Love, C.
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mmegaera[info]mmegaera on January 31st, 2008 04:02 am (UTC)
Kids, heck, I know a number of adults who want to be warned away from books where an animal dies. And I'm inclined to agree with 'em.

Then again, I'm also inclined to agree with my mother the mystery fan, who likes her murders tidy and bloodless [g]. I'm not big on body counts in any species. In fiction or elsewhere.
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[info]crookedfeet on February 3rd, 2008 06:07 am (UTC)
It seems to me as though a lot of YA writers use the death of a pet the way a lot of fantasy writers use the End! Of! The! World!-as an easy way to raise the stakes
I don't hate the death of animals in books, anymore than I hate the death of characters-but there had better be good story reasons for it.
As for'Bridge to Terabithia' I remember reading an interview with Katherine Paterson where she talked about the book being about the real-life death of a friend of her son's, and I had never gotten that from the book at all.
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Janni Lee Simner: anime me[info]janni on February 3rd, 2008 04:13 pm (UTC)
It seems to me as though a lot of YA writers use the death of a pet the way a lot of fantasy writers use the End! Of! The! World!-as an easy way to raise the stakes.

That is a fascinating thought.

Bridge to Terabithia has always for me been about discovering magic--or at least story, which is sort of the same thing--and learning to pass it on. I didn't read it until I was an adult, but I've always loved it for that.
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